Natural Breast Enlargement Pills
A year ago we did an article on how teenage girls are a big target for these worthless products. Sadly my email box still fills with questions from young girls about these so-called breast enlargement pills.
Natural breast enlargement pills are advertised on the Internet, television, and in women’s magazines. Most of the ads focus on women’s insecurities about their breasts. Women in search of an alternative to breast enlargement surgery are trying these herbal pills without realizing that there is little-to-no evidence to support their effectiveness.
What to watch for:
- Be wary if immediate, effortless or guaranteed results are promised.
- Look for telltale words and phrases such as breakthrough, miracle, secret remedy, exclusive, and clinical studies prove.
- Be cautious of money-back guarantees, for a guarantee is only as good as the company that backs it.
- Do not buy when testimonials or case histories from satisfied users are the only evidence a product works.
- Always check out a product with your doctor, pharmacist or other health professional.
Herbs in Natural Breast Enlargement Pills
Saw Palmetto – Saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) is a herb best known to treat urinary symptoms resulting from benign prostate hypertrophy (BPH) in men. It is thought to prevent the binding of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT) to androgen receptors and to block the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, which converts testosterone to the more potent DHT. There is no scientific evidence linking DHT or testosterone levels to ingesting saw palmetto.
Bovine Ovary Extract – There are no published studies of the safety or effectiveness of bovine ovary extract in humans. Websites selling the product lie and say that bovine ovary extract stimulates the pituitary gland resulting in an increase in prolactin and growth hormone levels. If this is true, there are potential risks. Prolactin is a hormone that rises almost ten-fold during pregnancy to stimulate breast development and milk formation. So even if Bovine Ovary Extract did work they way these websites claim, what woman would want to start lactating?
Black Cohosh Root – Some studies suggest that Black Cohosh is similar to the drugs used in hormone replacement therapy but how and what hormones are effected are still a mystery. During most clinical trials experimenting with Black Cohost Root, the subjects showed no change in hormone or metabolic rate.
Fenugreek – Although there is an unsubstantiated claim that women in harems were fed fenugreek seeds to increase their breast size, no studies confirm fenugreek can result in breast enlargement. Fenugreek contains a compound called diosgenin. In laboratories, diosgenin can be converted to estrogen and progesterone but that same conversion doesn’t occur naturally in the body.
Blessed Thistle – The herb blessed thistle is approved by Germany’s Commission E for the treatment of loss of appetite and indigestion. It was used historically by nursing women to increase the flow of milk. Blessed thistle is believed to stimulate the production of stomach acid, so it can cause mild irritation of the digestive tract lining. It should not be used by people with gastrointestinal reflux disease, ulcers, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, and irritable bowel syndrome.
Dong Quai – Dong quai is a Chinese herb used primarily to relieve menopausal symptoms like hot flashes, reduce menstrual cramps, and regulate menstrual cycles. The only published study on dong quai and breast enlargement was a case report of a man who took a combination herbal pill and had temporary breast enlargement. The pill was thought to have been contaminated with synthetic estrogen. There are no other published clinical trials on dong quai for breast enhancement.
Fennel Seed – Fennel has been used for centuries as both food and medicine. It was used traditionally to increase the flow of breast milk in nursing women, enhance libido, and increase menstrual flow. There are no published studies examining the use of fennel seed for breast enhancement in humans. One study claimed that after consuming fennel seed for 10 days, the weight of breast tissue in female rats increased but no medical lab has been able to successfully duplicate these results.
Hops – Used in the brewing of beer, hops contain a potent phytoestrogen called 8-prenylnaringenin which has 0.2-20% the potency of estradiol, the main human estrogen. Hops are sedating and are used for anxiety and insomnia but have never been proven to increase breast size in women taking large amounts.
Pueraria mirifica – Also known as Kwao Krua, Pueraria mirifica is a plant found in Thailand and Burma and used by the indigenous hill tribe people. The plant contains compounds called miroestrol and deoxymiroestrol, which are believed to have estrogen-like effects in the body. Modern studies are inconclusive as to what patients are affected by Pueraria mirifica.
Wild Yam – Wild yam has been found to have a variety of plant-derived estrogens, such as diosgenin. It is promoted to treat menopausal symptoms and relieve premenstrual syndrome (PMS). Diosgenin can be converted to estrogen and progesterone, but it must be done in a lab because the human body can’t convert it on its own.
Pacific Kelp – This is a great source of minerals from the sea, including iodine, which is essential for proper thyroid function but there is no study that shows how Pacific Kelp is able to increase the size of female breasts.
Damiana Leaf – Damiana is a small shrub high in phytochemicals such as alpha-pinene, beta-carotene, beta-pinene and beta-sisterol. Supporters of this herb claim that it can treat female hormone imbalances but no available study can back up these claims.
Message forum discussing these herbs: Eve’s Natural Breast Enlargement Forum
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Want to see something funny? Look at this website and watch the lady talk about how great these products are BUT she has no boobs! I can not believe people fall for these scams. If it worked you would think their own spokes-person would have big boobs.
I am glad we get to expose these websites even if it is only to readers of this blog. Hopefully girls visiting will avoid these websites. One trend I see online are sites like this one that are created with a fake rating system. They pretend to be impartial but are really just created by the pill companies themselves. They prey on women by using words like herbal and natural and safe. Women want bigger breasts but they are afraid of surgery so they are willing to try these overpriced products.
I was going to buy a natural suppliment for my wife. Not because I wanted her boobs bigger but because she has been bugging me for them for almost a year now. She wants to fill out dresses for our 5 year honeymoon. She did not like how she looked on our wedding day.
Glad I started reading about them. Waste of money!
Thanks for the tips Sara! Now what should I tell her?
Tell her to read what we have typed up.
It all boils down to a bit of common sense. With how connected the public is these days with the internet and social networking – ANY breakthrough in breast suppliments would be headline news all around the world. Either the company would patent it and it would be selling like crazy or there would be hundreds of thousands of verified success stories.
Big breasts are so popular that if a product were to actually work – two thirds of the women in the world would be using it.
The sad truth is that big breasts are still somewhat of a medical mystery – and that is why they captivate the world.
Remember too with “money back guarantees” that they often don’t refund shipping and handling. So really, even if you do take advantage of the guarantee, they’re still likely to make money off of you. A lot of them also require that you return any unused portion to them in order to get the refund. They do that in order to discourage people from actually getting the refund. So don’t buy something that you wouldn’t otherwise buy just because it has a money back refund.
I knew someone who took herbal supplements in order to increase her breast size. Before she took the supplement, like most women her breasts would often swell a little and be tender during one part of her monthly cycle. The supplement she took just resulted in her breasts being like that all the time. So yeah, they were a little bigger, but they were also tender all the time. They hurt when she played sports or when her boyfriend touched them. So she stopped taking the supplement and her breasts went back to normal.
So the moral of the story is that even if you get lucky and the supplement you take works, it probably won’t work like you’d expect.
Herbs can work to make your breasts bigger. Google Eve’s Natural Breast Enlargement forum or BEBoard for proof. Those women aren’t making money off of products and have nothing to gain by posting their success stories and before/after pics.
The problem is every woman’s body is different, so what works for one may not work for others, or even for the same person depending on current health and bodily situations.
I don’t care what anyone says, I’ll try as many herbs as possible to get large NATURAL breasts. I don’t care what I have to do, big is better than small and unfeminine/unattractive anyday, and if I have to pop every damn pill in the pharmacy until I find the right combination, then that’s what I’ll do.
I looked at the Eve’s Natural Breast Enlargement forum. Everything being posted is just people asking questions about scam products and lots of wacky hypnosis and hypnotherapy talk. Even the before and after photos show no improvement in breast size. Nothing more than some swelling or possible weight gain.
That message board is proof of nothing Dee. Even the girls who think they are getting bigger are just getting fat. Going from a 34B to a 36B is weight gain not boob gain.
Gina, how do you know they’re just getting fat? Do YOU have proof of that? Besides, I’ve seen some of the ladies have changes in cup size, not band size, and a few have gone up several cup sizes. Some of them have kept the breasts even after stopping the pills/routines and losing weight. You guys obviously haven’t spent as much time looking at these boards as I have, because you all are blessed with nice large boobs so there’s no reason for you all to. And a lot of the ladies leave after they get the results they wanted, so those success stories are not going to be within the first few pages of a forum search. Some people don’t post pictures, or took them down, because they are of a private nature on a public forum, and because a bunch of bitter women accused them of being fake and all sorts of other nastiness.
“Gina, how do you know they’re just getting fat? Do you have proof of that?”
It is real simple. Cup size is breast size, band size is rib size. So girls going from 34B to 36B are just getting fat. Look at the sizing charts Sara has linked to the right of this website. They will explain it further.
I know that, what I meant was that how do you know that all the women are only going up in rib size. Just because a few people say they went from a 34B to a 36B, does not mean that there aren’t other women who have gone up in cup size.
Pammy, Fawn and a couple other women from BEBoard have gone up in CUP size and had pictures to prove it, as did Beth and a few others from Eve’s board.
Also, those pills marketed for breast enlargement usually have too little of any one herb to make any difference, which is yet another reason to take the herbs individually and tailor them to your needs.
Miyako, there are a lot of questions about scams and whatnot. But I have been lurking there for almost 4 years, there are a few members there who have had success. One lady took her photos down because people accused her of being fake, and she stopped coming around as much.
Lots of people come and go there, so of course there’s lots of newer people who talk about scams and hypnotherapy (which can work). And not everyone is comfortable posting pictures.
How do you know it’s just swelling or weight gain? You may be sceptical, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t legitimate results. Plus, are you looking at the http://www.breastnexus.com site? I don’t know what pictures you’re looking at, but I see plenty of improvement in breast size in the pics. Not all of them, but plenty. Did you look at TigerLily, Erica, and Fennel Fairy for instance? Besides, not everyone is lucky enough to have giant growth spurts where they go from nothing to DDDs in a summer, so of course some of the growth and results will be slower.
Also, forgot to mention, you still didn’t see the success stories from BEBoard, like Pammy and some of the others.
Honestly though, this may sound kind of weird, but this whole thing sounds like when pretty people say that we should all just love ourselves and see our own beauty, and not risk dangerous plastic surgery or other drastic measures. lol…easy for ya’ll to say, you’re not the ones who look like men/prepubescent boys!
There is no correlation between beauty and breast size. All breasts are beautiful. The hiddenfeet website wasn’t created to belittle girls with smaller chests. We just wanted to create a website that focused on helping large chested girls.
I wish that were true, Sara, but femininity = curves. That’s why WOMEN get them. Who honestly looks at flat-chested/small breasted women and thinks that their BOOBS are attractive compared to larger ones (I’m not talking about facial attractiveness or other features)? Maybe a handful of people, along with the “consolation” answers, but there’s a reason why most people prefer larger breasts. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. You guys have even said yourselves that people like larger ones because we’re genetically programmed to look for symbols of fertitility, and we’ve established that the boyish looking supermodels are chosen because they’re good clothes hangars, not because their bodies are attractive.
Dee that is not how breasts work. Breast growth is caused by pubertal hormones produced by the pituitary gland located in the brain. Those hormones create the milk-producing glands, called mammary glands. So unless the herbs alter these hormones they won’t do any good. Do you really think you will stumble upon some magic herb combination that can create milk-producing glands that no other scientist has discovered?
I understand that, and some herbs do work on hormones. Saw palmetto blocks androgens, royal jelly and others balance hormones, other herbs can mimic hormones, which is why they can have affects such as acne (reminiscent of puberty), altered menstrual cycles, etc.
Like I said, everyone’s body is different, so it’s not one magic herb combination that works for everyone. Just like with any other complex system, you have to have the right ingredient for the situation, to get the results you want. That’s why there is no magic formula, because people’s bodies are different.
Besides, I don’t even think scientists have spent enough time researching different drugs to solve this problem. I understand that, because they have other things to research like diseases, so that pretty much leaves us flatsies to our own devices to do our own research/trial and error.
@Dee
“Besides, I don’t even think scientists have spent enough time researching different drugs to solve this problem.”
First off, having small boobs is not a problem. It is just the way you are. Sara has told her readers dozens of times that breasts are beautiful in all the different shapes and sizes they develop into. Secondly, i believe scientists do research breast growth. With billions of girls wanting larger breasts the profit from such a discovery would be enormous. Drug companies are always seeking higher profits.
“I have been lurking there for almost 4 years”
4 years? How many more years are you going to spend searching for magical herbs? Please Dee, understand how special you are without large breasts. You are starting to scare me with how obsessed you are over big breasts.
I appreciate your reply. I just don’t see small breasts as attractive or sexy, I just can’t accept them. Small is nothing special, but curves on a woman’s body are nothing short of perfection. What’s so appealing or special about looking like a child, having nothing womanly about you physically other than what every little girl in the world has?
If I really didn’t see something that made me feel that bigger breasts naturally was possible, I would give up. I believe in doing my own research and making my own observations. 4 years is nothing for something that I want, I’m prepared for the long haul.
Just because scientists or drug companies haven’t gotten something yet doesn’t mean that it’s not out there. They have a vested interest in herbs and other easily available ingredients NOT being a viable solution because you can’t patent that. People overlook herbs and mental techniques all the time, when a lot of times they are very effective remedies, but they’re dismissed as “old wive’s tales.”
Besides, like I said, I have seen pictures, read success stories, and become friends with members on those boards, and they are not selling anything. All the stuff they used, I can get myself from CVS or a health store. What would they have to gain? And I’m not talking about “34B to 36C,” I mean like “B cup to D/DD cup.” And this was in a variety of age groups, some with children, some without. So I KNOW it can be done. Why would it work for them and not for me? I CANNOT give up now.
Well some of those herbs might be healthy but I can’t see them boosting breast size. Most of those herbs have been used for hundreds of years by people in countries all around the world. If they worked we would have lots of big boobed ladies in third world countries.
I have heard of breast reduction pills. Do they work?
NO! And why would you want to take them?
Reduction pills? How stupid is that? You are on the wrong website.
I came across more sites like this saying pills wouldn’t work than I did saying they would. In fact I almost let all the negative post talk me out of trying it. I’m extremely glad I did it anyway. I’m a full cup size different in 2 months, from an A to a B and no, I didn’t get fat as some said would happen. I think I would respect such negative commentary better if it was being posted by someone that had tried it and it just didn’t work for them, but these comments are by women that just “decided” it didn’t work. how is that helpful to anyone?
I would never never reccomend a teenager to try anything that alters hormones, but I think once you hit 18 and see that you’re one of those gals that just aren’t going to grow any larger, than I would say give it a try, but be smart about what you are doing and how and definately talk to your doctor about it, even if you feel embarrassed about it..
My doctor acted like I was crazy for trying this and after telling me that she thought I was wasting my money, told me to go ahead. I can’t wait for my next mammogram for her to compare to the last one and see the actual proof!
I know I know, someone is going to demand this be removed and claim it is written by one of places trying to sell the stuff. All I can say is it’s not. I’m a real gal that at 37 was sick of being embarrassed about my size or lack of. You can take from it what you want, but I figured it was time someone that has actually tried it spoke up.
oh, and by the way. My hormones feel more balanced since starting this than they had in a good 6 years since giving birth to my third child, so if it does alter them in any way, for me it was a good way.
Best of luck to the women looking for answers,
From A Proud user of Bountiful Breast
Misty says: I think I would respect such negative commentary better if it was being posted by someone that had tried it and it just didn’t work for them, but these comments are by women that just “decided” it didn’t work. how is that helpful to anyone?
That is about as helpful as your post offering zero proof that it worked.
Besides, going from an A to a B is meaningless. That could be water. A to a beautiful D cup, now thats something worth paying for. So even if your product did work you wasted your money because the results are so small as to be completely worthless to most women/men.
Im a not trying to be mean Misty but Sara is right. These products don’t work. They do not grow lobules and milk ducts in female breasts.
Its all in your head Misty.
You wasted money on a product to become a B cup?
Geez, you people sure like to poo-poo things. Telling Misty it’s all in her head? Maybe she’s happy with the size she’s gained, and maybe she can gain more.
I’m sure glad you all have big boobs, because with that attitude if you had small ones you’d probably be depressed and hopeless. And you’re taking a dump on the women who are at least TRYING something to see if it will work. Why are you all so close-minded?
Misty, good for you. You should go to BEBoard or Eve’s Natural forum and share your good news. A lot of the women there have had LASTING results even after stopping their regimens. I’m actually taking royal jelly pills now and seeing a difference. Congratulations for making a change that YOU are happy with, regardless of what somebody else tells you. Don’t settle for less if you don’t want to, and I wish you continued success.
Why is it that only the people that work for these companies or users brainwashed into thinking they spent their money well claim success?
No scientist has ever found breast growing herbs.
Geeezus, I posted the names of SEVERAL boards with testimonials of success from women who DO NOT work for any companies, and many of whom ARE NOT using pre-packaged formulas and pills, but rather individual herbs that ANYBODY can buy from a pharmacy, health store or grocery store.
But I can see that no amount of convincing, unless it comes from a scientist, will convince any of you that there are ways to achieve success. I mean, the sites I mentioned have written testimonials as well as pictures, but you all, if you even bother to look, just select one or two that might have had a small amount of growth.
I have to side with Sara on this one. I am new to posting on hiddenfeet and I am just a 34B. Many of my friends are trying herbs and a few have purchased expensive products online only to see no improvement in size. Like Dee I wish for larger boobs. I think being 34B is ugly but I guess I don’t feel the need to worry about it too much. I have accepted my small size as who I am and will not get surgery to enhance my breasts.
Taken from Wikipedia, this is what my friends are experiencing – a Placebo effect:
A placebo is a sham medical intervention. In one common placebo procedure, a patient is given an inert sugar pill, told that it may improve his/her condition, but not told that it is in fact inert. Such an intervention may cause the patient to believe the treatment will change his/her condition; and this belief does indeed sometimes have a therapeutic effect, causing the patient’s condition to improve. This phenomenon is known as the placebo effect.
The only difference is that the actual change is minimal, water gain or fat gain, but is enough to make my friends think these herbs are doing something worthwhile. I have no problem with my friends feeling better and many of the herbs they take are harmless.
But the end result is that years later none of them have grown larger breasts.
I’m sorry it hasn’t worked for your friends. But again, like I have REPEATEDLY said, just taking pills will not help you IF you are not taking the right ingredients for your body’s conditions. If you have an testosterone dominance, for instance, than an herb like nettle root or spearmint would help you, and someone who has enough estrogen doesn’t need to take a pill that would increase estrogen levels. It’s a delicate hormonal balance, and I’m sure that MOST of the people who tried pills and didn’t have any success, did not take the time to figure out what exactly their bodies needed, and/or didn’t give it enough time. It’s a slow process; puberty was a slow process for many women, so why do people expect overnight results and then give up when they don’t get them? One pill is not the miracle cure for everyone, it’s about putting in the time and research to make the difference.
Wikipedia really isn’t a very reliable source. And as you are taught in school, one source isn’t enough to make conclusions or determine facts. You should look up each herb and find out how and why they are used for breast enlargement as well as the reasons listed in the article. And the pills your friends are taking are probably in too small of a dose for them to get any results without being on them for a really long time.
Did anybody SERIOUSLY look at the link I posted or any of the boards I mentioned, for more than a few minutes?
I’m guessing not, because it seems like you all have made up your minds and are just going to stick with your statements that I and others like me must be fools and that we’re wasting time and money.
Just because scientists haven’t found a one-shot pill, doesn’t mean that it’s not possible. You all are just taking that as gospel truth and not taking the time to READ and expand your minds. I believe I even posted NAMES of people who had success.
I’ll even do the work for you and link routines for women who have had success that remained EVEN AFTER THEY STOPPED:
http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029
http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3012
http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1145644666/last-1252694818/Tiger+Lily%27s+booby+growth+project
http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1239579197/last-1251249190/Double_Ace%27s+Body++Journey
http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1150526187/last-1249632624/fengshui%27s+D+cup+journey
http://www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1144093664/last-1245645324/Eve%27s+Program
I won’t link to the nude pics, but here’s a listing of result pics:
http://www.breastnexus.com/picture_pages.html
Just to name a few, look for Surf, Tiger Lily, and Chelle Choi
Please note that for these routines, no one is selling anything, and most of them did NOT use any of the popular breast pills, but rather individual herbs.
You know what, Sara, why not interview the proprietor of Eve’s forum? This is obviously a heated and important topic, or else you wouldn’t have made the post in the first place. If you’re doing this to help young ladies, why not interview one of the people who this has worked for, and who has an active community, to further address this issue?
The topic was created as a warning to young girls to avoid wasting time with the companies that offer the false hope of breast enlargement.
As far as interviewing the moderator of the Eve’s Forum, I am not sure what good that would accomplish. It is just a forum where people talk about experimenting with pills and products. What else is there to learn?
I think you are the only one making this a heated topic dee. Hopefully years from now you will look back at all the time and energy you spent searching for magic herbs and laugh. You have to stop with your obsession and learn to love how god created your body. Sara has said many times that beauty is not defined by how big your boobs are. Having big boobs can be a burden and life with them is not always easy. I think that is the purpose of hiddenfeet.com. Am I right?
Eve and several others at the forum, which I have pointed out, HAVE had success. So the accomplishment is that as well as warning young girls about the breast enlargement pills that are advertised as a miracle solution for everyone, which is a good message, you can show them about people who have created their own routines and gained breast size.
You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water, is what I’m saying. Eve herself has had success and would be able to provide a first-hand rebuttal and clarification. I agree that these companies are out to make money with an often ineffective product, but that does not mean that with careful studying of your own body, you can’t address hormonal issues and successfully increase your size.
You’re completely taking away hope from a lot of girls who feel that they either have to be dissatisfied with their chests, get surgery, or get over it, and that is not the case.
@CJ:
It’s heated because you all ridicule people who have had success (Misty) and tell them that it’s all in their heads, and are completely dismissive of anything that remotely suggests that it’s possible.
I’m not a quitter, and the only reason I’ll look back and laugh is because people like you said I’m wasting money and time, and I’ll be laughing because of my success. We all have choices about changing the original body that we’re working with, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to improve it rather than just sitting back and giving up.
And there you go again with this magic herb stuff. I have repeatedly said that I don’t believe in a magical, miraculous pill for everyone. What is so hard to understand about the fact that foods and herbs can affect your body’s hormones? Haven’t you heard of soy, for instance, and how it can help some women with menopause? Vitex has helped me to regulate my menstrual cycle, and that’s based on hormones.
I looked at all the pictures posted here Dee and there is no difference in the before and after.
*blinks* did you look at the names I mentioned?
You had time to go through ALL the pictures listed on that site?
*boobie pics ahead*
http://www.breastnexus.com/tigerl.html
http://www.breastnexus.com/chelle.html
http://www.breastnexus.com/evem.html
You mean to tell me you honestly can’t see a difference in these pics?
Also, did you even read any of the routines I posted, in which the ladies clearly listed what they used, and stated that they had increased and KEPT what they got after they stopped (so no swelling or water retention)? Eve says in her routine that at first she took maintenance pills, but further down says she stopped and kept everything.
If you look at the routines, it does work. How are you so sure that herbs won’t work. You really should do more research.
Dee those pictures are fake.
And you know this how?
And you STILL didn’t address the routines. Reading FTW
So what’s next, you’re gonna tell me that all the routines and every picture is an elaborate scam that ALL of the women are in cahoots on? What are they gaining from this? Can you show me where they’re trying to sell something?
I know this because I am not blind. Whenever you see pictures without a persons face and they have that much blurring and smoothing done to the skin you gotta wonder how much computer manipulation is being done.
Besides, then end result is that those girls are still small chested. DD boobs and larger are what I consider pretty to look at. Everyone has B an C cup breasts these days. Why be proud of that? If there are any men reading this I am sure they would agree with me.
Karoline, 3 things:
1. Thanks for supporting my point that small boobs aren’t as nice as big ones. Even though the larger ladies here will swear this is not true, and that we’re worried over nothing. Men HAVE agreed in other posts.
2. Who says they’re finished growing? If they keep at it for a few years, or find something that works better, they can get larger sizes (as some women have).
3. What are these women gaining by faking pics? especially when they’ve gone through posting their routines and assisting and supporting each other? They’re not selling anything. All of their involvement, would be a pretty elaborate hoax, especially if they’re all in cahoots with each other. The point is what? And maybe they left their faces out of the pics for privacy.
Again, did you bother to READ any of the routines and see how much work goes into them? When you take all of these pieces together it’s pretty hard to refute, and you’d have to really reach.
> If they keep at it for a few years…
> the routines and see how much work goes into them…
All this and the girls never get to be a DD? Waste of time Dee. Waste of time.
How is it up to you to say that it’s a waste of time if they don’t get to DD? Maybe they don’t want to go that big. Not everybody wants to be huge. And not only that, but I never said they’d never get to DD. I posted at least one routine of a lady who DID get to DD from like a B.
Maybe it’s a waste of time for you, but in what way are you qualified to say that someone else’s results are a waste of time? If they get where they want to be, or are on their way, it’s NOT a waste of time.
And even still, if they did grow, even if not yet to a DD, it still shows that this CAN work, which is the original point of contention. Whether or not if fits YOUR criteria as big enough growth is not relevant.
> How is it up to you to say that it’s a waste of time if they don’t get to DD?
Sara’s website is called Hiddenfeet. It doesn’t seem to be about small boobs getting slightly larger. Its about BIG boobs.
We’re not talking about whether or not the pills will get someone to Hiddenfeet size. The fact is, the pills do work for some people, which was the original argument, and which the ladies from Eve’s site have testified to.
And besides, I’d consider a cup size a pretty good increase. And as I have said to you REPEATEDLY, for a lot of women it is a slow process. Milani said she increased a cup size. If she keeps with it, she very well may get to a DD or larger. And I have also said to you that there are other ladies who have gotten to DD from small sizes, and I even linked routines. How many different languages do I need to use?
WOW! Those are fake. One of those girls just stood closer to the camera to make her boobs look bigger.
Geez, you know what, I don’t even know why I’m doing this anymore. Most of you all already have big boobs, so what does it matter to you anyway? You already have the good stuff.
This is like beating my head against a wall. I didn’t spend 4/5 years of researching this topic for you people to tell me that I’m foolish, delusional, wasting my time or money, or whatever.
Apparently no one wants to read or take time to at least seriously consider that there might be an alternative, so I could do this until I’m blue in the face.
I was here because I admire big boobs and was trying to understand you guys a little better, and get rid of some of my jealousy/resentment towards ya’ll. Understanding and consideration goes both ways, and all that’s happened is I’ve been told that my concerns are invalid, that in reality most people praise small boobs (whatever), and now this.
So, whatever…you guys go ahead and talk about how no one takes you seriously, or how everyone who doesn’t think you’re a sex object wants you to hide yourself or get a reduction. I’ll go back to my pills, my “omg you don’t look like a real woman,” “oh you might not have nice breasts but not everyone likes boobs anyway, *consolation prize*,” “you’re not sexy because you don’t have curves, and only gay people in Hollywood and fashion say that skinny/curveless chicks look good” world.
U r soo right… these other girls here are quick to give negativity and tell u things they have no proof of. I’ve been on that site and have read plenty. I know that the enlargement thru herbs works. In fact, I am doin it myself. If u have the knowledge of how ur hormone levels are and what doses of each pill to take… and ur on the herbs long enough to get the growth and then the permanent results… u can actually get to the breast size you want.
Good job, dont let these other girls discourage you. It DOES work.
Lol its amazing how narrow minded some people are but i guess i was like that before i had the guts to actually give it a try. I can honestly say its one of the best things ive done and given me so much more confidence, admittedly its a slow process which you need to be dedicated to but so worth it and i’d never go back. I can also say along with bigger boobs my periods are like a dream and my nails and hair grow incredibly fast!!
The most obvious part of my growth (for me) is at the top of my breasts before there was nothing and now theres proper hard tissue and the overall mass inside each breast is much bigger making me a proud 32C :) which seemed an unbelievable dream when i first started out as a 32A/32B.
Heres my proof http://www.breastnexus.com/millani.html which of course your all gonna say shows no change because it not a 4 cup size difference or that there fake but if this can help just one person realise that you can change your breast size with some understanding and patience then its worth it.
Is this a joke? There is almost no difference in the before and after pictures. That is not breast growth. That is just getting slightly heavier. The breasts in the after pictures are so small that nobody would even notice.
You can call people like myself who doubt that herbs work “narrow minded” all you want – but you proved nothing with your post.
Yep, just like I predicted. Jodie, I don’t know about you, but I can clearly see a difference, especially in the tops. The rest of her body appears to be roughly the same size. How do you explain the fact that she fits into a larger cup size now, with the same ribcage?
And besides, she’s only been on her program for less than a year, according to her program page. We’ve said that this is a gradual, slow process. Sometimes it takes months to see any difference at all.
If she had gone from like an A to a DD, then I’m sure you guys would have been “oh, that’s so fake, no pill can make you grow that fast in such a short period of time.”
Geez, I wish Pammy and Beth still had their pics up.
Please also remember that these ladies are taking measurements as they go along. A lot of the pics are posted also to have a gradual tracking mechanism. Most of the ladies, from what I gather, only gain an inch or two per month, AT THE MOST. There have been some lucky ladies that grew faster, but some only had their pics up for limited time due to privacy.
So if you only grow an inch per month at the most, it’s going to be harder of course to see growth, especially from certain angles. But the tape measure and the changes in how bras fit, don’t lie, especially when the pill program stops and measurements remain.
sara, i do agree with one point you made in the article: the “concoction” pills don’t work. reasons vary, mostly being that everyone is different. the pills, by and large, are a sham, and women (not girls… girls shouldn’t be trying this anyway because their bodies still develop through young adulthood) should be very wary.
what dee is trying to say, however, also has merit. i have had some success when making my own little “concoctions,” though it takes a lot of time, energy, research, and some money (and pills by the handful, not by one little capsule). i retained what i gained. my husband even noticed, which was sweet. and if all it was is placebo (or him being nice so i would let him buy a riding lawnmower), it sure felt nice. but the tape measure confirmed, photos confirmed, my bra and clothing sizes confirmed. so it wasn’t placebo, though the effect was nice. it also wasn’t swelling or water weight or weight gain, since i don’t have a period right now and i have a medical condition that doesn’t allow me to retain water and makes me LOSE weight. odd, i know, but true. and trust me, it sounds glorious but is horrid…
anyway, what i am getting at is that there is no miracle pill that will work for everyone. some of the herbs might help, some won’t help. depends on who you are, what your stress level is, what your body tells you, and all kinds of things. there are things to be learned out there; you can’t just say “impossible” because the money-makers aren’t making products that are worth it. scientists won’t come up with a magic pill… the doses can’t all fit in one pill, as dee said, and all bodies are different. but there are things to try, options that are not surgery. and a lot of those boards is positive thinking and stress reduction and eating appropriately and EXERCISE, all of which are good, no?
i would do the same, sara: tell girls to stay away from the combo pills. tell women to stay away from them, too. but you can point those women towards the beboard or eve’s board since they are obviously curious and hopeful. if they like what they see, they can stay and have a support network. if they don’t, they don’t have to try. there is even a surgery page on eve’s set-up for those who want it with new techniques. so perhaps that is a nice compromise? let the women decide for themselves based on what other (real… scammers and spammers are chased off in a hurry) women are trying. i’m a real woman, i had some results without trying to market anything or even buying a single brand name this time around (the successful time). who am i to try and convince you that you need or want to believe this? who are you to try and convince me that this is all in my head? let them be empowered to make their own decisions. don’t shoot down those that have tried, particularly those that have had some success. give the women who ask the links to the boards, let them figure it out. the ladies on the boards almost ALWAYS tell people to talk to their doctors, too, so why not give some support and form a community of women, both big and small-breasted, instead of what is going on here with no options and a lot of yelling about who is right?
Thank you, em and milani. Are you both from Eve’s board? Be prepared for the “omg you guys are wasting your money, all the results are really in your head and it’s all water retention” or “you guys are such liars.” Because since consumer reports and scientists haven’t found any successful cases, it must not be true, despite real testimonials to the contrary. We all know that NOBODY in the history of science has ever overlooked something or gone back and challenged previous findings. And I’m absolutely CERTAIN that all the scientists did the detailed research and customization that you ladies did to come up with a routine, rather than just handing everyone the same pills.
Breast size has a lot to do with fat. This is why Bountiful Breast pills warn that use by athletes or anorexic/bulimic women with drastically low fat may not get the advertised results.
The surefire way to feel good about your breasts, of course, is by improving your self-esteem.
Consumer Labs researched dozens of breast enhancement herbs on hundreds of patients. The result? They are worthless.
Read:
Do breast enhancement pills really work?
Manufacturers of breast supplements proudly proclaim that their products will “feed,” “develop,” “nurture,” and “beautify” a woman’s breasts. And in case you have doubts, they provide first-person testimonials and scientific statements to bolster the belief that these products do, indeed, work. But do they? Is there any basis for these claims?
That’s the question ConsumerLab.com, a company that conducts scientific literature review and product evaluations, set out to explore. Their answer: There is no evidence that any of the current dietary supplements marketed for breast enhancement are effective or that the science they use to support their claims is credible.
Companies can make these claims because there is no federal entity that oversees “holistic” or “homeopathic” products. As a result, these products do not need to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration or even proved effective before they can be sold.
Breast enhancement products typically exploit common misunderstandings about what herbs and “phytoestrogens” can and cannot do. [Although the word phytoestrogen is often used to describe the estrogen found in plant-based products, the term is actually a misnomer. Phytoestrogens should really be called phytoSERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators). SERMs, like tamoxifen, are estrogenic in some organs and antiestrogenic in other organs, and that's the effect these plant-based products have as well.] Product advertisements typically claim that since a woman’s estrogen is what naturally causes her breasts to grow, phytoestrogens like soy, red clover, flaxseed, black cohosh, saw palmetto, and wild Mexican yam will do the same. But that is not how soy and other phytoestrogens work. These products actually have an antiestrogenic effect on the breast in premenopausal women. (In postmenopausal women they appear to have more of an estrogenic effect.) This means that even if these products contained what the manufacturers claim they do (and they don’t always), they would not be able to make a woman’s breasts grow.
Further, and more importantly, if these products could enhance breast size, they would actually be dangerous. That’s because if they did work, the estrogen they were exposing women to could, in fact, increase their risk for breast cancer.
Do the products contained in these pills do anything? Saw palmetto is said to increase milk production in nursing mothers, but that does not mean it would enlarge breast size. And while it is true that wild Mexican yam was at one time used to produce synthetic progesterone, it is hormonally inactive in humans.
The bottom line: Your breast size is as genetically determined as your hair color or your height. About one-third of your breast is fat tissue; the other two-thirds or so is breast tissue. If you gain weight, the fat in your breast will grow along with the fat in other parts of your body and your breasts will become larger. In turn, if you lose weight, you will lose fat in your breasts and your breasts will become smaller. Since you can’t make yourself lose or gain weight in one specific part of your body, you can’t gain weight only in your breasts. The only real option for enhancing breast size, other than certain types of bras or silicone breast implants, is exercises that build the chest muscles that support your breasts. These exercises won’t actually change your breast size, but they may make your breasts look larger.
Reference:
ConsumerLab.com Finds “Breast Enhancement” Pills Lack Evidence of Efficacy April 16, 2002
Thanks for the info Andrea.
It looks to me like Sara is right. Herbs do not work.
All the so-called user testimonials are girls with very small breasts making very small improvements at best. Nothing hiddenfeet sized.
If it sounds too good to be true is usually is. Some day science will find something that works. Perhaps by then boobs won’t even matter to men and women as much.
Penny, not everyone necessarily wants to have huge boobs anyway. Maybe going up a cup size will make someone happy, and in that case. Are we debating whether the herbs work AT ALL, or whether they will take you up 4 cup sizes? Two separate issues.
Besides, like I said, there have been ladies with gains of 2 and 3 cup sizes, but they don’t all have their pictures up anymore (though I’m sure you’d call those fake or say it’s too good to be true anyway; damned if you do, damned if you don’t). And even if the process is gradual, small improvements over time can add up to significant changes.
Everyone needs to read this and learn that pills and herbs do not work.
http://www.realself.com/question/do-breast-enhancement-pills-work
Those are from plastic surgeons. Of course they would tell people that the pills don’t work and that the only way to increase size is through surgery.
Dee does have a good point there Gina.
If there are young girls reading this – please learn from what Andrea Laney and Sara have typed.
Do no waste time or money on magic herbs. Learn to love your breasts what ever size they are. I am not large breasted. One of my daughters is large, the other isn’t. Carie being a DDD has her share of difficulties as does Candice being a smaller B cup. Genetics created them differently and I am teaching them to love themselves exactly the way they are.
Jodie yvette what a hypocrite- in reply to my post you say “The breasts in the after pictures are so small that nobody would even notice” and then in other posts you say “learn to love your breasts what ever size they are”?? and yet there you are insulting mine because you think they look small, why would you say that to someone who felt so crap about there breasts they turnt to herbs to try and grow them and has now reached there dream size?. Since when was a 32C on a size 6/8 frame classed as small??? A B/C cup is actually classed as average. I am however glad you noticed a difference and can say that, no slight heaviness doesnt make a 5cm difference and feel like hard new tissue in my breasts so its definately growth. I was actually quite hurt by your nasty comment especially when the only reason im here is to help people, you have just managed to knock my confidence right down to the ground well done (so glad i dont know you).
Im not saying that herbs are an easy way but there is 100% something in this that is working for many people and you shouldnt just boohoo something when you dont know the truth, even a cup size difference can completely change a small breasted persons life. I do think girls need to be wary when going into this tho as there are many commercial companies selling crap products that people need to be warned of.
Hi Dee yes im from eves forum (amazing place) well done for all your hard work! Its hard when people constantly put you down and tell you your a liar but for the good of all small breasted women im sticking by everything i say!
Milani while I admire your alleged attempts to help people, you are posting on the wrong website. Correct me if I am wrong Sara but having hiddenfeet means DD or larger right?
So I think Sara started this article to warn young girls that taking pills and herbs won’t help them get hiddenfeet sized breasts. And since you and dee and every girl on the eve forums are unable to get hiddenfeet sized breasts, Sara’s claims are valid and yours are not.
The only thing the article said was pills don’t work. There was no stipulation about size. Therefore our claims ARE correct. We went from you guys saying the pills don’t work, to saying they don’t work unless they take you to at least a DD. Now you guys are adding extra stipulations.
I’m sure the girls that were emailing Sara would have been happy to get ANY size growth.
Besides, as we have stated REPEATEDLY, the time to get to a DD would probably be longer than a year, but that if the ladies continued their routines they CAN get to DD.
And nice job on the nasty comments to Milani. Hope you guys feel better about stomping on her accomplishment and making her feel like crap.
I saw the difference Milani, and I am proud of you and wish you continued success. You do you, babes.
Instead of doing google searches and finding loads of scam sites and fake doctors opinions why dont you actually come to a real forum with real people who are not selling anything and giving completely unbiased opinions both good and bad and then decide which is more believable.
I will believe these “I grew bigger boobs claims” when someone posts before and after videos. These fake photoshop pictures and lame testimonials are not cutting the mustard. I would never trick my daughter into thinking herbs would increase her bust size.
I think it is brave of Sara to speak out against herbs and pills and she isn’t the only one. Remember that NY times article Sara linked to a while back.
Dr. Bill Gurley, a professor of pharmaceutical sciences at the University of Arkansas College of Pharmacy and the author of several studies on herbal remedies, said that the tablets pose a potentially serious threat of drug interaction. The herbal concoction could have adverse side effects when taken with other medications a teenager might be taking, like antihistamines or birth control pills, and lessen or intensify the efficacy of the prescribed drugs.
”And on top of that, I would say that the possibility they increase breast size is slim to none, ” he said. ”The likelihood that you’re going to go from an A to a C or D is remote. And with young girls, body image is a big deal and they fall prey to some of that stuff.”
So I say bravo to Sara and a big “shame on you” to everyone else trying to trick young women.
Dude, I’m not trying to trick anyone. I have nothing to sell. I’m just saying young women need to look at both sides for themselves.
Shame on you all for taking away their hopes that there might be an alternative, when several women here have shared that their is.
Sara said it best when she said the sad truth is that big breasts are still somewhat of a medical mystery and that is why they captivate the world.
I say leave the breast mystery alone and let big girls be big and small girls be small. Mystery in life is good. Wasting your life trying to find something science hasn’t been able to for millions of years is foolish.
And I am saying this as someone who is NOT hiddenfeet sized.
Intesting discussion and I appriciate everyone’s input.
Perhaps there is some confusion as to what body size/shape a hiddenfeet girl is.
My staff and I are going to rework our FAQ page soon with some specifics.
Yes dee I have read what you said about magical combinations that only work for magical individuals after a magical number of years and magical programs in this magical world of yours.
How many billions of women are there on the planet that have never achieved these magical combinations dee?
Acording to what you are telling everyone, girls have a better chance of winning the lotto.
What do you mean, magical? These women are telling you that IT WORKS FOR THEM. How are the tangible results from TAPE MEASURES and BRAS THAT DON’T FIT ANYMORE magical? I’ve had several people come and back me up, and lots of women on the forums who have taken meticulous measurements, taken pictures, and supported each other to success. Nothing magical about that, sweetheart.
How many BILLIONS of women might not know about Eve’s board and BEBoard? How many BILLIONS of women just buy a scam pill, try it and see that it doesn’t work, but then don’t do any RESEARCH to figure out what THEIR bodies need to grow? Those pill ads are all over the magazines and internet, Eve’s board and the FEW others (I only know of 1 or 2) are not well advertised, so the many BILLIONS of women are missing them.
How many BILLIONS of women tried pills, but didn’t make lifestyle changes to help their bodies grow (stopping smoking, healthier diet with less sugar which leads to less androgens, lower alcohol levels, getting enough sleep)? How many didn’t put in the time and dedication to research and make the necessary adjustments so that they could grow?
How many BILLIONS of women give up or don’t stick with anything long enough to see a difference, even though puberty takes several years?
How many BILLIONS of women either don’t care, don’t have the patience, or just dismissed all the magazine ads for pills as scams, NOT KNOWING that there’s other ways?
I never said anything about statistics, so if you want to put words in my mouth, please tell me how you’re coming up with that figure. Talk about magical. You’re projecting your own doubts on what I’ve said.
Look for Wahaika’s posts on Eve’s forums and the BEBoard; he is a pioneer in this (his wife grew) and he’s done meticulous research and note-taking to help figure out how women can grow. He’s not selling anything, and in fact helps people for free.
And you all still need to clarify your argument. First it’s they don’t work at all, then it’s “oh well, you girls aren’t Hiddenfeet size yet, so it doesn’t count.”
I’d also ask, how many women might have had some success using pills, but either just didn’t tell many people because it was a personal/embarrassing issue (maybe some people don’t want to discuss their boobs with everybody), or because they didn’t think anyone would believe them (surprise, surprise, sound familiar in the context of this thread)? People could have just been like “oh she’s lying, she had surgery” or something. So just because you haven’t heard of billions of women saying this worked, doesn’t make it not so. There’s probably lots of women in other countries, where maybe herbs aren’t so looked down on, that have success from herbs, but you just don’t know. Asian countries being a primary example.
Here’s an example of a lady who did get to a DD:
http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3012&page=1
Please excuse the forum background, it seems the Photobucket account is expired.
She had her topless pictures posted but took them down for awhile. Every now and then when she visits the board, she might put them back up at a member’s request, but it’s always temporary.
WOW!!!! dee,milani, lisa…..you go girls!!!
I have read the negative comments written by those of you who were blessed with large breasts and am amazed, once again how cruel and narrow minded the human race can be!
For those of us who start out an AA, being able to grow to an A or B with herbs, naturally, is AWESOME! Some of us DO NOT want to be a DD!!! We are just thankful for every inch we gain! And SO many have gained naturally! Yes, it may take time and tweeking of our routines, and we may have set backs for multiple reason( financial, illness etc) but we come back, continue where we left off. We will not accept defeat! i have seen success and know that although it takes alot of time, research and trial & error, it can be achieved, naturally.
Please do not look down upon us for searching for something nature gave you. None of you KNOW how it feels.
As far as commercial products go, well, i haven’t tried any only because i read so much on how they don’t work mostly due to the low dosage of the herbs. Which is why eves forum is so helpful to all who enter there. And yes, the discussions are wide, from herbs that work/don’t work to hormone balancing to problems with UTIs to even problems totally unrelated to breasts. I have learned so much over the past 11 months that i have been going there, about alot of things. i am so very thankful to have found the forum!!!!
As far as the pics, yes some do not show growth, however, not all growth can be seen in pics. As dee stated, some take the pics more for there own recording of progress, to compare to later. I see the growth in many of the pics. I know that these pics are not bugus, these women are real. I ahve become friends with some, even off the forum. So i know they are real. And what would they have to gain by posting bogus pics? They are not selling a thing.
I think as far as this site is concerned, telling young girls NOT to purchase commercial products is great. But please do not step on their hopes of larger breasts naturally. This will send so many into the surgeons to have foreign substances put in their bodies.Allow them the chance to achieve it without going to such extremes, that in 10 yrs or so they will have to redo.
Natural breast enhancement can be acheived. And that is fine that not everyone believes, that is your choice. However, please do not put us down and basically call us idiots, especially when it comes to something you know nothing about.
Peace to all!
Laisegirl
Sara I used to post on the eve forums under a slightly different username but recently stopped. While I respect their right to exchange information about NBE there some things you should know. A few companies sell a product known as Wonderup. You will see girls posting about its purchase, effectiveness, and usage on the eve forums.
What bothers me and the reason I choose to no longer participate with the eve forums is that this product has their own message forum setup where girls as young as 17 are asking if the product is ok for them to take.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/157802/
They are charging girls around $40 a bottle per month for a product that they claim works best if taken for up to 12 months. That is a lot of money to take from young girls who feel inadequate about their breast size.
So when young girls ask about this product on their message forums they are greeted with the following response:
“The answer everyone gives is always the same though – if you look through this message board there are lots of girls here aged 16 and 17, so no 17 definitely isn’t too young.”
That type of response sickens me.
I wanted to bring this to your attention because you Sara are obviously one of the biggest advocates for educating teens on body appreciation I have ever seen online. Your articles and sense of humor warms my heart and I have tried to spread the joy of your website whenever possible.
Ashley thanks for the comment.
Educating young girls – sure, that is something my staff and I enjoy doing. Policing the internet to protect young girls, well that’s up to the parents of the young girls. Not my job.
While I don’t agree with these products, their outrageous claims or sales methods, it isn’t for me to say who should have access to them. Young girls will always be subject to media and online propaganda that tries to persuade them to purchase suspect products – products like clothing, makeup, diet and weight loss pills are all working off the same fear/social principals. Breast enhancement pills are really nothing new.
Notice that the second comment to the 17 year old girl on the wonderup forums was a woman named Milani. Most probably the same Milani posting here within this blog post and on the eve forums. Her advice to the young girl was to wait mentioning that many women grow until their early 20’s or even later. Pretty good advice.
I do find it a little odd that so many women from the eve forums are posting within this blog post. I have received many emails from long time readers asking me to delete their posts but in the spirit of cooperation and trying hear both sides of the story I will post (within reason) everything that comes my way.
Sound fair?
Hi Sara yes that woman called Milani was me i would never tell someone under 18 to take something that could alter their hormones ideally i think you should be into your 20’s and this is what we try to tell any young girls on our forum. We also do our best to guide them and help them avoid all the dodgy commercial pills that are out there. I think when it comes down to it if the choice is between surgery or herbs then why not try herbs first surely its better to grow breasts naturally then to insert something foreign into your body in an expensive and risky procedure. The problem is it isnt a 100% guarantee so people dont believe in it and often people dont have the patience and commitment and so sadly go for the surgery. If only there was a way to make people see….and believe and also ban the crap!
Thank you for showing our posts
Sara I would stop being so nice to the eve forum ladies if I were you.
They talk about and recommend products that contain ingredients of don quai which is a known carcinogen.
Most people on the boards actually caution away from don quai. We’ve had that discussion already.
And the boards also recommend seeing a doctor regularly to make sure that none of the pills have an adverse affect on anyone.
OMG rebecca is right! They are dealing with dangerous substances.
I am sorry but I have to laugh at these women on the eve forums who type this witch doctor stuff. Read this and laugh til it hurts.
“Remember that whatever you do, do it hard, and firm. The slap-grab breasts explained in fengshui’s, if you do it right, your breasts should be turning red from the increased blood circulation. Slap it hard and grab it hard but be careful not to grab the nipples as this is done very fast and I’ve accidently squeezed my nipples before, and it hurts like a M-F lol. WHen using pressure points, make sure when you push your breasts using knuckles to also dig deep into the tissue while pushing the tissue in whatever direction is explained in Fengshui’s massage. It will be really uncomfortable at first, and might even hurt for some of you, but then it goes away after about 2 weeks. ”
hahahaha. Read this one too.
“The final part which isn’t included anywhere. Once you’re done massaging your breasts you squeeze your breasts. This is my favorite part and I am always excited to do them lol. First, the inside squeezes: Use both hands, grab your breasts and squeeze and pull on them them until you reach your nipples and let go, don’t squeeze the nipples. Do this 10 times. Remember when I say “squeeze/pull” it means as you squeeze and pull on your breasts your hand is moving away from your breasts and your fingers/claws are moving in closer to the nipple, sort of liek you’re trying to pick up your breasts and it’s stuck to your chest so you’re using force with your fingers to pick it up and out. If it makes it better to visualize then pretend that you’re trying to pull your breasts off using your claws/fingers surrounding your breasts). Then the outside squeezes: Use the left hand and grab the right breast and place your right wrist above the left hand just to add more force and assist your left hand with the grabbing. Now grab as much fat surrounding the right breasts as you can and squeeze/pull until you reach the nipple area and let go, do this 5 times, then repeat with the other side. Use right hand for left breast, and place the left wrist right on top of the right hand and push in to add more strength then squeeze/pull 5 times. Then the upper squeeze: Use both your hands to squeeze your breasts but place your hands so that your fingers are reaching upwards towards your upper part of breasts, and the wrist should be right below the breasts, this squeeze might be a little more painful, but here, do the same thing, grab the meat breasts as far out as you can reach and squeeze/pull them until you reach your nipples, do this 5 times. Then the lower squeeze: Place your hands on the opposite direction with fingers facing down touching your bottom breasts and wrists resting on top of breasts, repeat the squeeze/pull 5 times. That’s a total of 25 squeezes in all directions.”
That is supposed to make your breasts grow? Sara please for the love of god stop posting messages from dee and all these crack pots. Those message forums are filled with so much bs. Half the posts are men pretending to be girls and just messing around making stuff up.
Well I am not sure about the first one but the second one is actually a decent massage routine. I doubt the effectiveness of it for breast growth but I think you’re being unfair in laughing at it.
Breast massage is relatively well documented as being effective for increasing lymph system health and promoting relaxation.
Sara, thank you for at least being fair.
Greg, you’re resorting to unfounded accusations now. Where is your proof that we’re men masquerading as women?
How can you all say this is BS when women have grown from this stuff? Just because you don’t know anyone personally that’s grown doesn’t make it so.
It’s hard to prove ANYTHING about anyone over the internet these days, but you all just resort to insults, calling people crackpots and foolish. Do you know how elaborate a scam it would have to be for all of the women who’ve had success to be in cahoots with each other to fool other women?
Again, WHAT WOULD WE GAIN FROM IT? We’re not selling anything.
If major teen magazines like YM magazine, CosmoGirl, Elle Girl and Teen Magazine reject ads for breast growth products then something must be up.
Those magazines publish all kinds of dribble. So if they are banning NBE products, these products must be bad.
The forums I posted also reject the products in those ads.
I think the Eve girls are just after the same thing everyone else wants. Big boobs.
Big boobs are pretty and small boobs are not. It might suck but thats the truth. My teacher told me a funny joke that I think everyone can laugh at.
“Studies find that 9 out of 10 guys prefer women with big breasts. The remaining 1 prefers the other 9 guys.”
I don’t have big boobs but I can still laugh at myself.
Love you Sara!!! Keep it up.
Thank you for understanding. We’re not out to trick anyone or scam people, we just want to have bodies that we feel are attractive.
“All breasts are beautiful” has not been the experience for many of us, and some of us prefer the look of a larger chest. We’re trying to help each other and others who feel like we do.
There are girls in their early teens on those Breast Enhancement forums. Here are some examples.
Hello, everyone. My name is Kejoeni. I am 14 years old and I’m going into my freshman year for high school, which will start in three days for me. I am really not satisfied with my breast size. I wear a 32A cup and when I look at the other girls, all of them are at least 36A cups. I know that my genes mostly control my breast size, but I still hope that I can get my breasts bigger. I wonder if those breast-enhancing pills work. Does anyone know if they do? I have been thinking about getting implants later on in life –like when I’m older and all– but I read some articles and they said that implants may cause serious health hazards and such. I don’t want to have bad health, or even be risked to it because of implants that I may or may not get. Can someone please help me out here? T.T I don’t have much money at the moment to go out and buy any breast-enhancing pills because I quit my job recently for school… and I again, I don’t want bad health because of implants… How do I get my breasts to grow more? T.T There must be a way to get my breasts to grow more… I’ve used the padded-bra effect to make my breasts look larger than they really are, but they still are small compared to other girls. I’m so sad… I’m really hoping to get at least some answers by posting up here. I want to have bigger breasts and look beautiful with them when I’m older… I’m sure a lot of girls want the same. I’m so confused and maybe even desperate for answers. Please help. T.T
my name is katie, im 15, and i have small breasts that are only an A cup, maybe not even. I don’t know what to do anymore because im so depressed that i can’t be like all of the other girls. To make my breasts look bigger i use silicon inserts, but there not going to help forever, especially since i have a boyfriend now. Anyway, all of you seem to be using some form of breast enhancement herbs or pills, but im only 15, i dont have a credit card…i cant order them off the internet or anything. and of course i cant ask my mom to buy me some. Are there even any sort of…maybe over the counter BE products for sale in a local store like a walmart or something? If anyone knows of anything that could help me please let me know, whether its a BE product at a store, or techniques to how to make my boobs bigger. I just want to feel normal.
Now are these girls getting good advice or just getting false hope? Maybe a little of both imo.
Most of the responses to young girls like that is to not take anything until they are older and well past puberty, and sure that they’re not going to grow anymore. And *gasp* they’re also recommended to do things like keep a healthy diet and take care of themselves to maximize their chances of growing during puberty.
That’s been the response to almost all of the teenagers and young girls that I’ve seen.
Sara there is a person on the Eve forums offering advice and asking questions and her name is ….get this….Fantasyland.
Link. There are so many people playing jokes on the girls on those forums I almost feel bad for them.
I’ve barely seen Fantasyland post. Now you’re getting on her because of her screen name? You’re not even making any disputable claims about the content of the posts. Personal attacks much?
And Wahaika, who is also in that thread, is one of the most knowledgeable posters.
Or you could just go the cheap and easy at home way. Photoshop is ridiculous…… But it’s amazing what they can do to these celebs now.
Dee please stop with the “what would we have to gain from it” speak. There are google ads on those message forums. They wouldn’t be there if someone wasn’t trying to cash in a bit. Maybe not you personally Dee, but there are people posting trying to keep the visitor count up and the google cash flowing.
James you can’t really fault them for that. Eventually I will place small google ads (maybe – the girls and I are still discussing this) on hiddenfeet.com some day.
Running a website or message forum takes time and money. The internet isn’t free James. Someone pays for the hosting and bandwidth. And even if they host on a free site – it still takes time (and time is money) to moderate and keep things under control.
Ok, but the forum owner is one person. And to my knowledge BEBoard does not have those ads.
Even if a few people are gaining money from this, the majority of the women who post and get results aren’t getting any kind of payback for this. Those are the people that I’m talking about. A lot of them post across forums (Eve’s, BEBoard, and another subforum, none of them are affiliated with each other), and they don’t advertise any particular board over others.
speaking of moderating Sara. I do not understand why you are letting them come to your website to post messages on your blog.
They don’t even understand that this is a big boob website.
All they keep saying is how “not everyone wants to be a DD cup. we are fine with our B and C cups.”
Why are they posting on a big boob website telling you and your readers what they think about small boobs. You didn’t go to their website and start posting stuff.
@staci – friend me on facebook and spend some time browsing my posts and the friends I spend my time with. You will quickly learn how much I value free speech and constructive dialog.
Also remember that our hiddenfeet website gets 6-7 thousand visitors per day. When I create a topic – perhaps something controversial (although at the time I didn’t consider it that way) – the topic will be viewed by tens of thousands of different people. The article will quickly rank high within google and continue to be referenced by people all over the world for many years to come.
So naturally if someone thinks (in this case wrongly) I am attacking them personally (this blog topic is the opinion of me and the girls who work for hiddenfeet.com) they will post in defense of their beliefs.
That is why girls from the eve forums are making their voices heard.
The internet is one of the last true mediums where everyone – no matter your age, race, sex, religion, or income, can have a chance to be heard and make a difference.
I’ve been on this site before, I know this is about big boobs. Sara posted an article about a subject we feel strongly about, which is relevant towards women with small boobs.
I respect Sara’s original effort to help protect her readers, but do you really think that the people who sent her the emails asking for info had big boobs? That’s how this became about small boobs, because it is more relevant to us than it is to women with large boobs. This is not a big-boob issue. Do you really think it was DD women that were mostly asking for information about the pills? The article was directed at an audience that’s mostly small-chested.
Nowhere in the original article did Sara stipulate whether or not the products would take users to Hiddenfeet size. It just said the products do not work AT ALL. Other people inserted their own caveats about the minimum size deemed to be successful, and that’s why we addressed the issue. It was YOUR comrades that brought the whole “well you only got to a B cup” issue into it, which was not relevant in the first place. They grew and some increased a cup size or two. That was the original point of contention. Karoline and Jodie were the main ones adding size stipulations to the equation, so maybe you should address them.
Key conclusions:
1. Although this is a big-boob website, the article posted was mainly to protect small-boobed women, therefore small boobs are now the topic of discussion.
2. No one said anything about being fine with B or C cups until readers from THIS SITE added the stipulation that if it doesn’t take you to a DD cup, it’s a waste of time, while insulting people in the meantime.
I also want to add that I think Sara has been very fair and gracious in letting us have our say, and I appreciate that. Some of you, however, have taken this into personal attacks, judgements, and accusations.
BTW the other ladies are well aware that this is a big-boob site. A poster named Velonese posted about this thread on Eve’s forum, and there were specific details of the conversation that demonstrated that they are aware that this site caters to big boobs.
Dee said Although this is a big-boob website, the article posted was mainly to protect small-boobed women, therefore small boobs are now the topic of discussion.
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How do you know that? I don’t think you have the right to asume what type of girls sent sara emails. Suppose that there were dozens that are busty and wanted to get bigger. Maybe a D isn’t enough and they wanted DDs or Es.
And even if Sara posted her opinion to help smaller chested girls, this is a big boob website meaning that it is OBVIOUS that Sara ment growing to DD or larger from these pills and herbs.
Hiddenfeet is DD or larger.
Sara talks about that all the time. Sara is DD herself. Her bio said that she grew up as a DD kid. Look at the pictures of Sara on her flickr page.
If Sara and her readers don’t think that pills and herbs will grow breasts to DD sizes, let them share that opinion. Remember dee that this is her website not yours. You are very lucky Sara isn’t blocking your comments.
Scarlett, I don’t know that anymore than some of the other posters know what they’ve said about us. I’m not the only one assuming, but I’m making an educated guess.
And just because it’s a big-boob site doesn’t mean it’s obvious she was only talking about getting to a DD and larger. For all I know, it could have been small women who thought that maybe you guys here had found information that we hadn’t, and so they emailed her to ask. Or maybe they didn’t read the site enough to know the type of content, they only saw “big boobs” and assumed. Or since this site is pro-big boobs, they might not have realized that Sara does not approve of the pills.
I’m small-busted obviously, and I came here out of envy, and I was originally going to ask what the ladies here did to be so well-endowed, like if they ate certain foods or something. But then I read some of the other content and comments and saw that this was not the place for that. So in that context, I can see how others like me might come here, and not really observe, but send emails asking for information on pills.
You just can’t assume that something is obvious, because most of the time it isn’t, without the proper context.
And if it had stopped at opinions that would have been fine. But when it got to people calling me foolish, calling others crackpots and fools, telling people that their results and hard work meaning nothing, accusing us of really being men and trying to scam people, that crossed the line into being something personal.
I’ve stated myself that I was small and trying to get to a larger size. If this article was just to say that pills won’t get me to DD size, then why was I still called foolish for trying to grow at all? If I had said I’m confident that the pills would take me from an A to a C cup, are you saying that everybody would have said “oh, ok that sounds feasible, you’re not wasting your time and money at all.” If people here would not have said that, then the underlying principle still remains the same, because it’s not that you’re saying DD is unattainable, but that any growth at all is unattainable and foolish to expect.
2. No one said anything about being fine with B or C cups until readers from THIS SITE added the stipulation that if it doesn’t take you to a DD cup, it’s a waste of time, while insulting people in the meantime.
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Dee you still don’t get it.
Of course readers of Hiddenfeet.com will only admire results that create DD boobs. This is a big breast website! They are not attacking anyone. This is a big breast website!
If you go to a website that admires race cars that drive fast, would you consider them attacking you because they don’t like your car that drives slow? Of course not. They are NOT like you and you need to deal with it.
I understand that, and I’m not saying you have to admire the results. But Karoline told somebody else that they were wasting their money. How is that her place to decide?
She could have just said “Personally, I don’t think a B or C cup is enough to satisfy me,” but the comments came across as ridicule and judgemental. That might not have been her intent, but that’s how it came across. Personally I won’t be happy until I get to at least a DD myself, but I can still congratulate others for getting to a point that they’re happy with, or at least not tell them that just because I wouldn’t be happy with their size, it’s a waste of money.
Also, and this goes back to your first point, which I addressed in your comment. It was not obvious to me that the intent of the article was to say that you can’t get to a DD size (I still contend that you can), so that’s why I made the point.
So, since we’re clarifying now that you all meant DD size all along, does that mean that now all of a sudden you have no problem with people taking herbs to go from maybe an A to a B or C? Since that’s the point you seem to be arguing now.
Forgot to add, comments like “it’s all in your head” or “you’re brainwashed” are different than “I prefer a larger size.”
Oh, and you just added to my argument that the whole “all breast sizes are beautiful” spiel is just feel-good lip-service here, so thanks.
Ok Sara wins! How is that for kissing ass?
New topic! Sara what do you think of the Brava device?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5TxfW8BHg
And not to be perverted because yes, I am a man, but would you or other hiddenfeet girls consider wearing something like that to go beyond a Dcup?
That too is discussed on Eve’s forum and BEBoard ;)
$900 to $1500 and needs to be worn every day for 10 weeks or more?
Although the company claims FDA-approval, the fact is that the only approval BRAVA has from the FDA is that it is allowed on the market as an unregulated device. The FDA cannot say whether any increase will last or how long it might last; they cannot even say whether the newly grown breast tissue will be healthy.
Notice the flat chested newscaster reporting this story? If Brava and it’s inventor were confident in the product they would have given one to her to try before airing the story.
Again it makes you wonder. Either the product doesn’t work (or work for everyone) or its inventor is hoping people wouldn’t notice. Either way it creates a cloud of doubt around Brava. And the pictures that they claim are success stories? Not impressive.
None of that is enough to convince me or anyone – big breasts or not – I know.
No do not try the Brava device Sara. Doesn’t that look dangerous to you?
Stretching breast tissue for month after month? No thanks.
Does the Brava device hurt the nerves in breasts? Will girls who use it loose nipple sensation? I ask because my sister wants to buy one direct form them. You save money if you buy them direct because doctors charge fees if you buy it from them.
Oh wait never mind! I am going to tell my sister to save her money. I just watched this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz6EcQKu8gQ
At the end all the girls are still flat chested. They didn’t get any bigger. lol. What a scam.
Scientific evidence for BRAVA:
The Brava external tissue expander: is breast enlargement without surgery a reality? Schlenz I, Kaider A. Plast Reconstr Surg. 2008 Sep;122(3):989-90.
BACKGROUND: Controlled trials have shown that an external breast tissue expander (Brava; Brava LLC Miami, Fla.) can effectively enlarge the breast without surgery. However, satisfaction with the results has varied among doctors and patients. The first author critically evaluated her clinical experience with Brava and attempted to identify factors associated with a successful outcome. METHODS: Between May of 2003 and September of 2005, the first author supervised the treatment of 50 women. Volume measurements and standardized photographs of the breasts were obtained at the beginning of treatment and up to 12 months after treatment ended. At the final visit, women completed a satisfaction questionnaire. RESULTS: Forty women were evaluated at an average of 10 months after discontinuation of treatment (range, 7 to 20 months). Reasons for drop-out were noncompliance with the treatment (n = 6), unwillingness to attend follow-up visits (n = 3), and more than 5 percent body weight change (n = 1). The women used Brava 11 hours a day for a median period of 18.5 weeks (range, 14 to 52 weeks). The median volume increase was 155 cc (range, 95 to 300 cc). Thirty women (75 percent) were satisfied or very satisfied with the results, five (12.5 percent) acknowledged enlargement of their breasts but considered the treatment too bothersome, and five (12.5 percent) were disappointed because of little growth. Factors associated with poor growth included lesser intensity of wear (p < 0.002) and low body mass index (p = 0.055). CONCLUSIONS: Long-term breast enlargement without surgery is possible with an external tissue expander. The more it is used, the more theat breasts grow. To avoid disappointtments and drop-outs, women have to be well informed about the time and lifestyle commitment.
This was published in the journal of plastic and reconstructive surgery. A well known, highly regarded journal. Notice that it states 75% were satisfied. Which is a much higher percentage than people who have had breast implants!
As for scientific proof for herbs and such, well I have not found studies that focus purely on herbs for breast growth. However, I did find many studies that show herbs do have an effect on the body. Here are two. Breast growth depends in part on estrogens and also androgen levels. So why would altering these levels not cause any changes in breasts?
Pueraria mirifica, phytoestrogen-induced change in synaptophysin expression via estrogen receptor in rat hippocampal neuron.
Chindewa R. Lapanantasin S. Sanvarinda Y. Chongthammakun S.
Journal of the Medical Association of Thailand. 91(2):208-14, 2008 Feb.
[In Vitro. Journal Article. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't]
UI: 18389986
Authors Full Name
Chindewa, Rattiya. Lapanantasin, Saitida. Sanvarinda, Yupin. Chongthammakun, Sukumal.
AB OBJECTIVE: To examine Pueraria mirifica (Leguminosae) containing-phytoestrogen effect on synaptic density and involvement of estrogen receptor. MATERIAL AND METHOD: The level of synaptophysin, a presynaptic vesicle protein, was measured using Western blot analysis and immunocytochemistry in hippocampal primary cell cultures at 6 days in vitro. RESULTS: P. mirifica and 17beta-estradiol (0.1 microM) treatment for 4 days, but not for 2 days, significantly increased synaptophysin immunoreactivity and level of synaptophysin. P. mirifica up to 60 microg/ml resulted in a dose related increase in the level of synaptophysin immunoreactivity. The classical estrogen receptor antagonist, ICI 182 780, significantly blocked P. mirifica-induced increase in synaptophysin. CONCLUSION: P. mirifica-containing phytoestrogen affects synaptic density by inducing synaptophysin expression via estrogen receptor.
Research Article
Effect of spearmint (Mentha spicata Labiatae) teas on androgen levels in women with hirsutism
Mehmet Akdo an 1, Mehmet Numan Tamer 2 *, Erkan Cüre 2, Medine Cumhur Cüre 1, Banu Kale Köro lu 2, Namik Deliba 1
1Department of Clinical Biochemistry, School of Medicine, Suleyman Demirel University, Isparta, Turkey
2Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism, School of Medicine, Suleyman Demirel University, Isparta, Turkey
email: Mehmet Numan Tamer (mntamer62@yahoo.com)
*Correspondence to Mehmet Numan Tamer, Suleyman Demirel University, Faculty of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine, Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, 32260 Isparta, Turkey.
Both collaborators contributed to the work in the same percentage.
Funded by:
FOFOI-IMSS; Grant Number: 2002/097
KEYWORDS
Mentha spicata; androgens • hirsutism • women
ABSTRACT
Mentha spicata Labiatae, known as spearmint and Mentha piperita Labiatae, known as peppermint can be used for various kinds of illnesses in herbal medicine and flavoring in industry. M. spicata Labiatae grows on the Anamas plateau of Yeniþarbademli town of Isparta, located in southwest part of Turkey. In this town, clinicians thought that consumption of tea steeped with M. spicata or M. piperita caused a diminished libido. Because antiandrogenic effects of spearmint and peppermint were found previously in rats, it was decided to observe the effect of this herbal tea on the androgen levels in hirsute women.
Twenty-one female hirsute patients, 12 with polycystic ovary syndrome and 9 with idiopathic hirsutism were included to the study. They were took a cup of herbal tea which was steeped with M. spicata for 5 days twice a day in the follicular phase of their menstrual cycles. After treatment with spearmint teas, there was a significant decrease in free testosterone and increase in luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and estradiol. There were no significant decreases in total testosterone or dehydroepiandrostenedione sulphate levels. Spearmint can be an alternative to antiandrogenic treatment for mild hirsutism. Further studies are needed to test the reliability of these results and the availability of spearmint as a drug for hirsutism. Copyright © 2007 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
Now to answer “well if there was a magical way of making larger breast why wouldn’t there be a product that was marketed and why wouldn’t it be all over the news” (PS some things such as Pueriria Mirifica have made to news: Boston post). It is impossible to have single combination of herbs for everyone. Your body needs to be in a state of homeostasis (balance) some people do not have this balance which would affect breast growth during puberty. SO yes it is partly genetic. Not everyone can have DDs. But some people with As may have As because their hormones are not balanced and may grow some more when these hormones are back in balance.
Anyway, I am done rambling. I have a BSc in Biomedical Sciences and am now studying medicine. So I am not ignorant when it comes to reading clinical studies. I think it is easy to make the link between altering hormones and this altering our body
ladies (and gentlemen) please! can people not make educated decisions for themselves (sometimes with the help of a medical professional)? and can we not get through this without insulting each other?
the way i see it, if you are smaller-chested and aren’t happy because it doesn’t look right, why not look into options? people get tattooed make-up for goodness sake, use lasers to take off body hair, all sorts of things for vanity. this site, hiddenfeet, is about loving who you are and learning healthy ways to live the way you are and, if necessary, how to change some aspects of your life to live a better one, hence educational articles and such. i know the big-breasted life isn’t all peaches and cream and roses. i knew a girl in the military who, because her chest was so large, the muscle started separating from her chest wall when she ran one day (with THREE sports bras on!). she was medically discharged, obviously, and devastated, and as her friend it broke my heart that her goal was not reached because of her boobs… but i have smaller boobs, so i couldn’t quite get it, so she thought. she would have loved a site like this (i wish i were still in touch with her…), and sara you are doing great things here. support networks and self-improvement are great things.
but folks, please understand: sometimes some of us wouldn’t mind seeing if something can change that we might like a little better, things we want to accept but might have a chance to change in possibly a natural, non-surgical way. and as i said earlier, sara is exactly right for posting about the scam pills to warn young girls, regardless of their size, that those pills are going to take their money and laugh. and there are A LOT to choose from for scams. but just because some are scams doesn’t mean that everything is. and if we are vain for trying, well, i have dyed my hair and if i had the money i would love to never have to shave my legs again, so okay i might be a little vain. or maybe i just want to do some research and make my own decisions to see if i can change something that might make me more comfortable or fit in my clothes better. and what is life but appeasing our own egos in an attempt to be happy? when you get down to it, we do things that make us feel good, or that we think will make us feel good later. i, and most others, will do or have done research to make sure what they put in their body is safe, and if something comes up that is not the warning gets out QUICKLY. most will also tell those asking specific health questions to get their bottoms (and small boobs :) ) to a doctor pronto. it’s a support network. it helps those that choose to participate. the key there is choice.
sara, thank you for being open-minded about your forum of discussion. controversy can show up where least expected. perhaps some of the young ladies that email you will see this long thread and see those forum links, check them out, and maybe ask for advice, or they might see it as a scam like some of your readers clearly do, or perhaps they won’t look at them at all and go about their merry way. all we can do is comment from our own knowledge and experiences. such is life that we don’t always believe or understand each other, i suppose. but insults? calling each other liars and scam-artists and such? not needed. by and large, the advice on the boards is good advice about taking care of yourself. ladies and gents, please don’t judge the group because you searched the site for something bad and found what you are looking for. you can also search for good, you know.
ah, well. i have been told to never discuss religion or politics with friends whom you wish to keep. obviously the same goes for this topic…
“Notice the flat chested newscaster reporting this story? If Brava and it’s inventor were confident in the product they would have given one to her to try before airing the story.” Posted by Sara
Did you ever think that maybe the newscaster doesn’t want larger breasts? I find that very strange that you think everyone must want big boobs. It is definitely not the case.
Good point but every woman who is a spokes person (videos) for the product as well? Very strange.
The Brava external tissue expander: is breast enlargement without surgery a reality? Schlenz I, Kaider A. Plast Reconstr Surg. 2008 Sep;122(3):989-90.
BACKGROUND: Controlled trials have shown that an external breast tissue expander (Brava; Brava LLC Miami, Fla.) can effectively enlarge the breast without surgery. However, satisfaction with the results has varied among doctors and patients. The first author critically evaluated her clinical experience with Brava and attempted to identify factors associated with a successful outcome. METHODS: Between May of 2003 and September of 2005, the first author supervised the treatment of 50 women. Volume measurements and standardized photographs of the breasts were obtained at the beginning of treatment and up to 12 months after treatment ended. At the final visit, women completed a satisfaction questionnaire. RESULTS: Forty women were evaluated at an average of 10 months after discontinuation of treatment (range, 7 to 20 months). Reasons for drop-out were noncompliance with the treatment (n = 6), unwillingness to attend follow-up visits (n = 3), and more than 5 percent body weight change (n = 1). The women used Brava 11 hours a day for a median period of 18.5 weeks (range, 14 to 52 weeks). The median volume increase was 155 cc (range, 95 to 300 cc). Thirty women (75 percent) were satisfied or very satisfied with the results, five (12.5 percent) acknowledged enlargement of their breasts but considered the treatment too bothersome, and five (12.5 percent) were disappointed because of little growth. Factors associated with poor growth included lesser intensity of wear (p < 0.002) and low body mass index (p = 0.055). CONCLUSIONS: Long-term breast enlargement without surgery is possible with an external tissue expander. The more it is used, the more the breasts grow. To avoid disappointtments and drop-outs, women have to be well informed about the time and lifestyle commitment.
This was published in the journal of plastic and reconstructive surgery. A well known, highly regarded journal. Notice that it states 75% were satisfied. Which is a much higher percentage than people who have had breast implants!
As for scientific proof for herbs and such, well I have not found studies that focus purely on herbs for breast growth. However, I did find many studies that show herbs do have an effect on the body. Here are two. Breast growth depends in part on estrogens and also androgen levels. So why would altering these levels not cause any changes in breasts?
Pueraria mirifica, phytoestrogen-induced change in synaptophysin expression via estrogen receptor in rat hippocampal neuron.
Chindewa R. Lapanantasin S. Sanvarinda Y. Chongthammakun S.
Journal of the Medical Association of Thailand. 91(2):208-14, 2008 Feb.
[In Vitro. Journal Article. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't]
UI: 18389986
Authors Full Name
Chindewa, Rattiya. Lapanantasin, Saitida. Sanvarinda, Yupin. Chongthammakun, Sukumal.
AB OBJECTIVE: To examine Pueraria mirifica (Leguminosae) containing-phytoestrogen effect on synaptic density and involvement of estrogen receptor. MATERIAL AND METHOD: The level of synaptophysin, a presynaptic vesicle protein, was measured using Western blot analysis and immunocytochemistry in hippocampal primary cell cultures at 6 days in vitro. RESULTS: P. mirifica and 17beta-estradiol (0.1 microM) treatment for 4 days, but not for 2 days, significantly increased synaptophysin immunoreactivity and level of synaptophysin. P. mirifica up to 60 microg/ml resulted in a dose related increase in the level of synaptophysin immunoreactivity. The classical estrogen receptor antagonist, ICI 182 780, significantly blocked P. mirifica-induced increase in synaptophysin. CONCLUSION: P. mirifica-containing phytoestrogen affects synaptic density by inducing synaptophysin expression via estrogen receptor.
Research Article
Effect of spearmint (Mentha spicata Labiatae) teas on androgen levels in women with hirsutism
Mehmet Akdo an 1, Mehmet Numan Tamer 2 *, Erkan Cüre 2, Medine Cumhur Cüre 1, Banu Kale Köro lu 2, Namik Deliba 1
1Department of Clinical Biochemistry, School of Medicine, Suleyman Demirel University, Isparta, Turkey
2Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism, School of Medicine, Suleyman Demirel University, Isparta, Turkey
email: Mehmet Numan Tamer (mntamer62@yahoo.com)
*Correspondence to Mehmet Numan Tamer, Suleyman Demirel University, Faculty of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine, Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, 32260 Isparta, Turkey.
Both collaborators contributed to the work in the same percentage.
Funded by:
FOFOI-IMSS; Grant Number: 2002/097
KEYWORDS
Mentha spicata; androgens • hirsutism • women
ABSTRACT
Mentha spicata Labiatae, known as spearmint and Mentha piperita Labiatae, known as peppermint can be used for various kinds of illnesses in herbal medicine and flavoring in industry. M. spicata Labiatae grows on the Anamas plateau of Yeniþarbademli town of Isparta, located in southwest part of Turkey. In this town, clinicians thought that consumption of tea steeped with M. spicata or M. piperita caused a diminished libido. Because antiandrogenic effects of spearmint and peppermint were found previously in rats, it was decided to observe the effect of this herbal tea on the androgen levels in hirsute women.
Twenty-one female hirsute patients, 12 with polycystic ovary syndrome and 9 with idiopathic hirsutism were included to the study. They were took a cup of herbal tea which was steeped with M. spicata for 5 days twice a day in the follicular phase of their menstrual cycles. After treatment with spearmint teas, there was a significant decrease in free testosterone and increase in luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and estradiol. There were no significant decreases in total testosterone or dehydroepiandrostenedione sulphate levels. Spearmint can be an alternative to antiandrogenic treatment for mild hirsutism. Further studies are needed to test the reliability of these results and the availability of spearmint as a drug for hirsutism. Copyright © 2007 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
Now to answer “well if there was a magical way of making larger breast why wouldn’t there be a product that was marketed and why wouldn’t it be all over the news” (PS some things such as Pueriria Mirifica have made to news: Boston post). It is impossible to have single combination of herbs for everyone. Your body needs to be in a state of homeostasis (balance) some people do not have this balance which would affect breast growth during puberty. SO yes it is partly genetic. Not everyone can have DDs. But some people with As may have As because their hormones are not balanced and may grow some more when these hormones are back in balance.
Hello. I read about this forum on Eve’s site and I am not here to argue, I simply would like to give my input on what the article above is about. It is not fair to call all breast and body enhancement supplements worthless. I have had results from taking herbal supplements, which I can show with pics. I was flat after giving birth to my son, afraid to get surgery, so I decided to try herbal supplements. I have tried everything there is on the market, and true enough, I wasted a lot of money on things like bovine ovary. It is true that a lot of the products on the market may not work due to unsubstantial herb amounts in the products or the wrong ingredients. BUT this is not true for all herbal supplementation pills, targeted to increase breast size. What I would like to do is go over the ingredients listed above and tell you how they would or would not play a role in breast and body enhancement.
The problem that women with small breast face is hormonal imbalances. They may be androgen dominant and never developed breast as a teenager. Because of this fact, Saw Palmetto would work well to lower androgen production in the body helping to make the effects of estrogen stronger on the body. This making the effects of the plant estrogen introduced into the body stronger adding to your natural hormones that your body is producing.
Bovine Ovary- I would say that this is dangerous to try to introduce animal synthetic hormones into the body is playing with your life. Especially if you already have a medical condition.
Black Cohosh- Because it can have the effects of hormone replacement therapy, this particular herb is good for women going through menopause, to regulate the loss of hormone production. I would not recommend this as an ingredient for a breast enhancement supplement, because it can bind to the receptors and cause the body not to produce its own natural hormones. This does not affect women going through menopause, because their bodies have already stopped making its own hormones, and needs a supplement to balance.
Fenugreek- this is a very strong phyto-estrogen, it helps to introduce plant estrogen to the body without binding to the natural hormone producing receptors, and it binds to other receptors in the body in order to add to the effects of your naturally produced estrogen and progesterone.
Blessed Thistle is used as an appetite inducer; a lot of women with small breast tend to be on the skinny side, so this is to help them to put on more weight, which will play small a part in developing bigger breast.
Dong Quai- good for other female problems, but I would not recommend it because of the same reasons as Black Cohosh, could cause the body not to produce its own hormones if taken for a lengthy period of time.
Fennel- strong phytoestrogen has been shown to increase breast tissue.
Hops- potent phytoestrogen
Pueraria Mirifica- now this one has actually been clinically proven in a double blind study to increase breast size, here is the link.
http://www.alternative-doctor.com/anti-ageing/pueraria.html
Wild Yam- ineffective because the “Diosgenin can be converted to estrogen and progesterone, but it must be done in a lab because the human body can’t convert it on its own.”
Kelp- is such a large source of vitamins and minerals which are important to NBE, because the body needs it to grow properly.
“Damiana Leaf – Damiana is a small shrub high in phytochemicals such as alpha-pinene, beta-carotene, beta-pinene and beta-sisterol.” – You got it correctly
So when discussing herbal enhancement, it is wise to keep in mind that all of the herbs in a formula may not be used to specifically target breast enhancement, but may still play an important role, such as giving the body, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids and more. All of which are important when trying to balance the hormones and gain breast tissue. Everything works together for the common goal.
I hope that I have been of some assistance when really trying to understand natural enhancement. I am welcome to any questions or refutes. Thank You.
Just to clarify our stance on young girls taking any kind of herbs:
This is posted as a sticky on BEBoard.
Since there has never been a documented before and after video of a girl getting hiddenfeet from herbs I consider it all baloney.
Sara has been around the internet a long time. People talk about her on a variety of message forums all over the internet. While I don’t have kids of my own I do have to respect Sara when she speaks out against scams like these. Thousands of girls will read this post and learn to save their time and money.
And the Brava device? OMG. How stupid is that. Don’t even get me started. Their own advertising video sinks that product faster than the Titanic.
I am skeptical. I would need the same proof Sonic mentioned. Something substantial.
Before and after videos would make sense.
Brava doesn’t seem to have any. The magic herb ladies from eva forums don’t have before and after videos. The pill companies selling natural breast enhancement products don’t have any videos either.
Three strikes your out.
This makes me sad. But I am glad I found hiddenfeet.com
I thought for a while that I could grow E or F cup breasts naturally without surgery.
Surgery is so expensive and has so many risks. Looks like I have to look forward to a life with small C boobs.
It might sound greedy of me but I would like to know if there are doctors and scientists working on discovering why breasts vary in shape and size. Are students and major universities doing studies on big breasts?
So what about the enlargement kit from greenbush?
Jessica dozens of students and teachers have sent us letters warning about greenbush from our previous article and the money they have wasted with that company. You are too young to worry about being hiddenfeet sized. I know you sent us pictures of your little friend who is big chested and it might seem like fun to be just like her, but for now, concentrate on other things in life and see how your body develops in the years that follow.
Remember that Greenbush is filling their products with Fennel powder, Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, Wild Yam Root. While they claim a discounted price, these herbs are easily available through most health food stores for pennies on the dollar. $79 for this kit that has a 100% chance of failure is not money well spent. These herbs have never been documented to create hiddenfeet sized breasts in anyone.
Please save your money.
I read all the posts here and i want to comment on this. Im a 19 year old objective girl, and i think dee has the right point here.
I personally dont want to be a dd, i dont even want to be a c. ı would just feel myself better, if my boobs grew 2 or 3 inches, which then i think my breasts would reach the ideal size. and i think by the use of herbs and massaging, this can be achieved, and this is no waste of time or money. this is a fun process, which actually works. there are real proven results.
No linda there are no proven results. None.